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OOPS you're right Judy, it would have to be open for that to work. Quite seriously, it sounds like that treatment is probably not the most humane anyway.

I'm so glad she came through the surgery ok.

Janet is right in that there is always more to learn and breeding dogs is a lot more involved than many anticipate when they look at it from the outside. I've done CPR on pups... have bottle fed them... and have had to grab on and help pull stuck ones out of their moms birth canal. You really do have to be able and willing to do all of that and more if you're going to make a success of it.

You either love it or you shouldn't be in it 'cause there's no one there watching over your shoulder to spur you on if you decide to take a break and don't tend to them for a couple of days. And accidental breedings will defeat your program unless you're very alert. And even when you do everything right "stuff happens" and you end up with huge vet bills or dogs that can't be bred for one reason or another.

If they decide to try again Judy, I hope they find a mentor that has good values and ethics and will help them do it right. Maybe they could find an online mentor? That's what has really helped me. I participate in a Labradoodle site with many experienced breeders where I've learned a lot even though I bred dogs for 9 yrs many years ago. I could even help them with basics if they'd want... I don't mind passing on what I learn. If someone is going to do it I'd just as soon they do it well and succeed for their sake and the dogs sake.