[Marilyn]

Originally Posted by pearl

something just said on the news, and i haven't done the math so don't know if it's accurate...that without any of the florida and michigan delegates counted neither obama nor hilary can get the needed number of delegates...2025...to get the nomination.
don't know if they are including the superdelegates or not.
but, obama wasn't even on the michigan ballot.

That's correct. I don't know that with them counted, either one can get enough to clinch it. Whoever has the most going to the convention though should be favored at the conventions, so that's why each vote is so important at this stage. Hillary is pushing hard for these votes to count, since she won both primaries. And as you said, Obama wasn't even on the Michigan ballot. The only way I can see to have these states count is a do over, but no one wants to pay for it. The states want the National Democratic Party to pay & why should they when the states knowingly broke the rules. The states should pay if they want their votes to count. If the rules are bent on this, why do we even have rules?? The Republicans have the same issue, only since McCain is a clear winner, it's a non-issue for them. 1/2 of the Republican delegates from the two states will not count.

Do you realize that if Ralph Nader had not run in 2000, Bush would not have become president. Nader pulled enough of the votes from Al Gore in Florida that had he not run, there would have been no need for a recount. It's amazing in a country so large how little things can have such a great effect.