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I think it's great that we can talk about anything on this 4women forum, even our dogs or other pets. BUT I personally think it would be more appropriate to discuss genetics..etc. on a DOG forum for that specific breed.
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Maybe this isn't so much a discussion of "genetics" as it is trying to educate people on what to look for when researching buying a puppy. If people don't know what to ask, how are they to find out? What is wrong with talking about problems people have had when buying pups and NOT doing research? What is wrong with talking about potential things that can go wrong? Ideally, buying a puppy is more than just looking in the newspaper and calling the first ad you see for the breed you want. Problems don't just go away by pretending there isn't a problem.
I didn't see anyone slamming Tink for what she is doing. Personally, I was just asking questions. If you don't ask-you don't learn. |
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I think the thing that bothers me about some mixed breed dog breeders (I'm not directing this at you Tink, more the puppy mills out there) is that the breeders represent these dogs as purebred animals to the uneducated buyer.
I can't tell you the number of people I have run into who say they have a "Purebred" puggle or maltipoo. Best of luck with the puppies, hope all goes well with the delivery. You said she's an experienced mother, so I'm sure everything will be fine. |
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I was going to stay out this one as I know nothing about breeding and genetics.
But I do have to say that I find it concerning that someone made a thread about their dog, and members talked freely about it, along with breeding practices and other issues pertaining to pet ownership.....But when people started asking questions that could be construed as debatable, it was suggested that maybe those comments should be talked about on a dog forum. To a new member like myself, that comes across very confusing because the original thread was about dogs and breeding, so it's assumed that any responses pertaining to that subject would be allowed? I am a member of several forums where people disagree all the time, but it never causes discourse or hurt feelings because the members are very mature about it. I think the same could be said for this thread. I don't think it should be censored just because there is a difference of opinions. Questioning things is the best way to learn, I think. As long as both parties are respectful of others, I don't see any harm in debatable threads. But good luck with your puppies Tink! I've only ever seen one labradoodle before at a petshop, and she was a really friendly dog, loved my kids ![]() |
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i agree wholeheartedly, gwen.
breeders as well as buyers can have things they need to learn. for the sake of the puppies people need to be open to information. breeding and buying some types has become a fad. the more it is talked about the more people on both ends will be educated. |
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I'm not speaking for anyone else but myself, but I personally thought that if anyone wanted more information on this, a dog forum would be a better place to get it. There are so many dog forums out there and that's where those type of discussions belong. That is why so many of us come here (that belong to other dog forums) so we do not have to deal with being interrogated and opinions being shoved in our directions when opinions were not asked for in the first place. I sincerely hope this post doesn't sound like I'm pointing fingers or anything like that, definitely not my intent. We've just all silently agreed not to judge or condem anyone for their beliefs on any topic. We're all individuals and no one will agree on everything. We've even wrote about politics here, but not once did anyone's feeling get hurt or feel they were being judged by who they were wanting to vote for. We'd just like to keep it that way. ![]()
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But for us new members, we were not aware of this way of posting ya'll have. I don't speak for everyone, but I think if we would have known that, no one would have said anything. Breeding and genetics do go hand in hand, and the thread was about breeding, so I can understand how someone could innocently bring up something pertaining to it.
I guess I just see it as a double standard. Like for example, say someone started a thread that said, "I'm voting for Obama, he's the best person in the world and I think he would make a good president" and numerous responses after it agreed with the OP. But then someone said, "I'm sorry, I don't agree. McCain is the best, and he should be the president". And all of a sudden, the person whose views were different from everyone else's was told that they needed to take their views to a political forum, as it was not appropriate for the forum it was on. Isn't that a form of censoring someone's opinion? I can certainly understand if a remark was rude or offensive, but if someone merely states their opinion, I guess I just don't see why their comment carries less weight then everyone else's. Sorry for stepping on any toes. Just trying to understand how everything works... |
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![]() ![]() I find it difficult talking about a lot of things, or even getting a warm fuzzy feeling from many of the older members of the board. I see a lot of hand slapping, and this shouldn't be posted here....It is not very inviting. I realize you ladies were all friends before we came here, but realize how you may be coming across to someone outside the group. It feels a little like ganging up. ![]() (again, not trying to point fingers here) but a woman posted a picture of her adorable son in the general section, and not a word was said about it being in the wrong section. Personally, sometimes I don't check out all the different areas and I could care less if something ends up in the wrong spot from time to time. I think this conversation is interesting, perfectly normal, respectful and healthy. If it goes beyond that, by all means. Lock it. |
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It is hard to understand feelings and tones through typed words... I will not censor myself for fear of hurting any and every one's feelings. I like to think I am a nice person, and if someone has a problem with something I said, I'd definitely like to know. We are adults, have dealt with much more in life than some typed words, differences in opinion or questions. It can all be dealt with on the board, or in private ![]() |
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OK since we've been invited to lay our cards on the table, I will.
This site up till recently has been very small, laid back and so peaceful we didn't need a moderator. We're all conservative, most are older, we're extremely respectful of each other, and have formed very tight friendships between us all. We don't necessarily agree on everything, but we make sure that if we don't, we agree to disagree. Enter all the newbies. We tried to welcome you all and hoped that having so many new people at one time wouldn't make us all unwelcome in our own territory. We realize we're different from your usual site, and quite frankly, that's the way we prefer it to stay. Within days we have had our religion ridiculed, have been told we need to be "educated" that we're rude, unwelcoming and need to change. Sorry folks, but this is OUR community and if you don't like it, then maybe you need to look elsewhere. There are plenty of sites where you can land that won't think anything of the things that have offended us. I fail to see why we should have to change what we have built for ourselves and maintained for 2 yrs just so that people who don't believe as we do or want to interact as we do can settle in. How would you react if a group of rowdy teens moved into your front yard and told you how to run your household and that you'd just have to adjust? That pretty well explains how this feels for me. I have nothing against any or all of your staying if you truly want to be part of a community like ours. However I do feel strongly that if you expect us to change to accommodate you, then you've come to the wrong place.
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I agree it's your community - newbies should play by your rules.
However, I have not ridiculed anyone's religion, called anyone uneducated, or rude. Yet when I said that I felt an undercurrent of something going on that was unpleasent (by both older members and newcomers) and I thought it might be better for people to be direct with their feelings, I was told that I think I'm perfect. I probably could have worded it better, but it wasn't meant to be offensive. Also, I tried to reach out with a thread of my own - talking about something deeply personal to me. For the most part everyone ignore me and I was basically told (although nicely) that nobody was interested in my drama and that I should go to a different site. I personally liked this site because I thought it offered a group of women who came at life with a slightly different viewpoint from my own and reading how different people think helps me to grow as a person. |
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You have hit the nail on the head, it is hard to understand feelings and tones through typed words. Hey I have not been around reading all the posts but whatever is being said seems like it is getting ugly. Everyone is entitled to their opinions yes but if you see that it is going to hurt someone's feeling back off no one needs to put people in their place. This community is about friendships and yes we all do not always agree on everything we all have our beliefs but We respect each other's feelings. Yes we are mature women, but with maturity comes the knowledge to know when to back off. I am not pointing fingers at anyone and everyone is welcomed here. As one of the senior members who have been here since this community opened I find it sad to see the direction that this room is heading. Everyone should just put their ill feelings aside and begin anew once again all are welcomed. Let's move forward this is begining to get childish . |
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